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NATCA President Nick Daniels Discussed the Government Shutdown on MSNBC (Oct. 11)

Oct 12, 2025

NATCA President Nick Daniels discussed the government shutdown on MSNBC with anchor Christina Ruffini on Oct. 11.

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